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Cosi Belloso on Cosi Talks, with special guest Eric Neufeld, CPO – Founder and CEO of Agile Orthopedics and RevoFit user Cameron Kennedy, as they talk about how adjustability has benefited Cameron and how it can benefit you.
What is RevoFit? RevoFit is a kit that your provider builds into your socket so that you can control the fit and comfort with a twist of a dial.
Why use it?
• Reduce sock ply changes
• Adjust through your clothing
• Control your fit and comfort by simply turning a dial
• Makes donning and doffing easy
• Reduce or even eliminate fitting
How does it work? With a simple twist forward and backward of the dial, you control the micro/macro fit of your device when and where you want. It’s that easy!
Who should use it? We have tested adjustable socket designs on adults, teenagers, top athletes, stay-at-home moms, professionals, outdoorsmen, and veterans. Whether you are an arm, a leg, or a joint disarticulation patient, adjustable sockets can increase your comfort and control. Great for new amputees that will change limb size over time.
Want to find out if RevoFit would work for you?
Full Transcript of Show Below – ENJOY!
Cosi Belloso 00:00
Oh boy as it had been a busy month already with Limb Loss Awareness month in April. I’m so excited that I have Click Medical team on board.
With me right down below is Eric Neufeld. He is a Certified Prosthetist Orthotist and he’s also the owner of Agile Orthopedics in Colorado and over this way, I’ve got Cameron Kennedy and actually he’s got two cam– cameras– OK, this is going to get confusing tonight. He’s got his leg cam right down there so you can actually see his prosthetic socket. It’s kind of cool that way.
We’re going to give you guys a couple of minutes to jump on board and as you guys know, those of you who’ve watched the show, you know I love to hear from my audience. I’d love to know who you are, where you’re from, and what is in your coffee mug. I am sporting my Click Medical Yeti mug. This is a really nice mug and I’m going to tell you guys a little bit later on how you can win one of these mugs.
We’re going to see who’s on board. I see some people popping on board right now. All right, so what do you guys– Like we’re in Colorado. Where are you guys?
Eric Neufeld 00:59
I’m in Denver right now.
Cosi Belloso 01:02
Cameron Kennedy 01:03
I’m in Denver too.
Cosi Belloso 01:03
You’re in Denver too. OK, so let’s go. How’s the weather right there? Because right now in Florida, we’re already starting to feel like its summertime.
Eric Neufeld 01:10
It’s teasing like a springtime. It’s actually been really crazy windy last couple days.
Cameron Kennedy 01:17
Yes, the wind. It’s like hurricane season in Denver for 48 hours.
Eric Neufeld 01:22
Cosi Belloso 01:24
I was like you got to come to Florida. Well, we’ll show you a hurricane season.
Eric Neufeld 01:27
Yes, no kidding.
Cosi Belloso 01:28
All right, Ryan. We got Ryan from Baton Rouge and cup is dry. Well that’s no good, Ryan. Come on. Go get yourself something.
We got Bill on board with his water.
Sandra drinking water. Y’all too many all drinking water.
We got Stephen on board. Roll tide.
Tom McIntyre, our Canadian right there.
Chuck Williams from my Wyoming and he says he has questions for Click Medical. Well, you came to the right place, Chuck. We’re going to be answering a lot of your questions tonight.
Hey, Adam. Thank you for joining us.
Cam, Eric, can you guys see the ticker tape?
Eric Neufeld 01:58
I see it yes, this is really cool seeing everybody there.
Cosi Belloso 02:03
[Inaudible 00:02:03] It says it’s raining in Kentucky. Those are the right letters for it. That’s right. All right guys. We’re going to give you guys a couple of minutes. Those of you who are watching the replay, if you can put replay into the comments section. I do like to go back after the show has wrapped up to catch any questions that I may have missed but also to see the those people who are watching the replay if they had any questions as well. Now’s your chance.
We got Mary and Mary and I love to seeing your post about you wearing your orange. Guys, it’s wear orange Wednesday. We need well– You didn’t know that?
Eric Neufeld 02:36
I missed the memo on that.
Cosi Belloso 02:36
Oh, you missed the memo on that one. We got to fire your secretary.
Cameron Kennedy 02:41
Cosi Belloso 02:42
There you go. All right, guys. We got a nice crew on board. We’re going to go ahead and get started. Hey, Bonnie from Tennessee. For those of you watching me for the first time, welcome. My name is Cosi Belloso. I’m a physical therapist and PT specialist here in Tampa, Florida and today I have two new friends with me.
We’ve got Cameron over here on my right, and we’ve got Eric here below me from the Click Medical team. Eric has his own practice in Colorado that he’s going to be telling you about in a little bit and Cameron is one of his patients. About a month or two ago, we brought the Click Medical team on board to talk about adjustable socket technology, specifically, their RevoFit adjustable system.
We’re going to do a little bit of an overview of that tonight but then we’re going to hear Eric’s story and Cameron’s story and guys, this is probably one of my favorite parts about doing this show is hearing people’s stories, whether it’s a clinician or whether it’s somebody who has undergone amputation and is the going through the recovery process. I feel like hearing people’s stories is just a great way to learn. Not to mention that y’all can ask Cameron all the questions you want about the RevoFit socket.
Hey, Chuck, glad you’re on here on board. We got Patricia. She says she’s interested in Click. We’ve got Michael [Inaudible 00:03:55] there from Miami.
All right, guys. Actually, before we start, we’re going to do our first giveaway right away. Sounds good? All right. So those of you who got my email, those of you who are the cool kids on my email subscriber list, you got to click– Excuse me, a link to the RevoFit quiz. Many of you responded to that quiz and I thank you guys for doing that and we have our winner Diana Baker. She is going to be receiving a three months’ supply of the liner wand, liner care kit. Congratulations, Diana.
Guys, we’ve got two more giveaways this evening and I’m just going to give you the information. If you want a chance to win one of the Yeti mugs which are really nice, go follow us on Instagram @clickmedical and @cositalks. All right guys, so let’s go ahead and get started.
Eric, I’m going to stop talking for just a few minutes and I’m going to let you jump in. All right now. We’re going to talk a little bit about the RevoFit socket and specifically why it was created. We– So many of my patients– I don’t know about you but so many of my patients are shocked when they realize that there limb keeps changing volume after surgery. Do you want to comment on that for us?
Eric Neufeld 05:05
Yes, I mean, that’s something that is entirely predictable, both following surgery over that first initial period, like– Initial meaning, right away over the over weeks and months but really over a period of years where the limb matures and stabilizes and atrophies. There is a significant amount of change in volume of somebody’s limb over time but also throughout the day, up and down, especially those with any kind of vascular disease or just vascular issues or even those that don’t have that it’s just the way the body kind of responds to fluctuation and activity, diet, hydration, all these things really affect tissue and so the body changes but historically, the socket can’t accommodate that and that’s really where the adjustability is so key and finally, we have this solution that can be incorporated into any socket pretty easily.
It’s something we’ve used routinely for this reason. It’s really easy for people to use, it’s easy to fabricate on our end and in the lab here, but it addresses this issue of change over time.
Cosi Belloso 06:24
Absolutely and guys, I’m just going to give you a quick demonstration. Like I said about a month or two ago, we did a full in depth show on not just about adjustable sockets but about sockets in general about their shape so that you can learn some of these words that your clinicians will be using and the history of some of these sockets as to how we got to this point right here.
This will just be kind of like the quick overview but with the RevoFit system. OK, the way it’s designed is when you and your prosthetist and physical therapist decide yes, you are in fact a great candidate for an adjustable socket, your prosthetist will order a RevoFit Kit, right? The kit comes with the cables and on the BOA dial or the click reel and everything that your prosthetist will need to construct the adjustability into your new socket. Right?
And there’s three basic ways that they have. They have what’s called a gap design, which you can see it goes exactly by its name. It’s a gap usually in the back, right? And this one is an above the knee socket. It sits like right in the gluteal area right here.
You have a panel design, which from what I’m seeing. It looks like that’s what cam is wearing right there and his actually, it’s easier to see than mine and then you have a third one, which is called a hinge design. Eric, do you still have that one with you?
Eric Neufeld 07:40
Yes. This is kind of a sample of a hinge design where the whole panel is separate and loose from the socket and so you could see– Let’s get a good angle there.
Cosi Belloso 07:59
There you go.
Eric Neufeld 08:00
Yes, inside– Can you see how the inner liner is kind of split? I mean, it’s completely split. It– Let’s– Here it lets the limb go in and then you just click it. I don’t know if you heard that kind of signature and then it tightens up once it’s on it and so it’s very tight and that design is something we use very routinely for initial, brand new, transtibial or below knee amputees who tend to still have a lot of that edema or swelling and even in a bulbous shape where the bottom is bigger than the top.
Before click came up with this or made this available, that was a very tricky design to come up with or condition that we had to address. It really solved that problem but I think that would be a decent example of a hinge design where an entire piece of it just kind of flaps away from the socket itself and then comes back on when you tighten the reel but it’s really– Like it’s really that easy. I mean, you just pull it, it releases. You push it, and it’s tightened.
Cosi Belloso 09:09
Right back in and guys just so you know because somebody asked me this on the last show, the socket that I’m holding is meant for modeling purposes. It does not necessarily mean that you’re going to have all of these three dials on your socket at the same time. Typically, it’s one dial that’s put on there and it’s like he said, you push it in, click, and I can just see it already tightening up. It’s very easy, very simple designed to use. OK?
And as Eric mentioned, this is meant for a very wide range of folks. I mean, even in my first question, when I met the Click Medical team was, can athletes use it? Because that seems to be a demographic that gets left out with some of this and yes. Everybody from stay at home moms to folks who like to go hunting, sports, and everything in between is meant for the socket and we just had a good question here that I wanted to pick up for you.
Ryan asked, I just received my first leg Monday when I asked about your product, the place I got mine said they are not meant to be used for folks in their first year due to the changes in the limb and the adjustments allowed. Is this true?
Eric Neufeld 10:15
I mean, maybe it’s an odd– Maybe it’s an unusual situation and there could be some rationale but on first glance, given the facts– The simple facts that are there, I would disagree. I think that’s actually when it’s the most– One of the most appropriate uses of the technology.
Cosi Belloso 10:34
OK, so y’all agree and Cameron’s going to tell us later on in his story, right? This was the first socket that you use Cameron?
Cameron Kennedy 10:40
Yes, this is my first ever socket. I don’t know any different but with volume changes in the leg, it sort of seemed like happening mostly in the first year. It seems like that would be the ideal time to use it.
Cosi Belloso 10:52
Yes. Ryan, again, it could be that you have something specific to your case but the generalized rule is that yes, this can be used for someone who’s receiving their first sockets.
Hang on, let me see and guys, again, if I miss any of your questions tonight, I will go back and answer them up. So there Jamie at click was answering for us there. She says no, it’s great for new amputees and Cam will tell you tonight. Let’s see.
Bill says, I had RevoFit in my last socket and we’ll have it again on my new socket. Casted 4-3 and I can’t wait to get the new socket. Let’s see.
Bonnie asked. Here’s another great question, Eric. If you don’t mind fielding this one. When is a good time to get an adjustable socket when you are in stubbies?
Eric Neufeld 11:36
Again, every– As everybody on this channel, everybody on this event knows. I mean, each situation is unique and individual. A good time to get an adjustable socket is when it’s appropriate, like when it would solve a problem or serve a purpose and have function. Not to not answer but I think if maybe there’s– If you’re chasing around fit and changing sock ply throughout the day, that’s a good indicator to me that adjustable socket would be really appropriate. If there are sockets that are perfectly stable and you’re in with zero ply or a single sock maybe, that’s good. Hopefully that’s helpful.
Cosi Belloso 12:26
And it also– I know for me, like it’s– When that is what my patient is complaining about that that’s basically what’s holding and not only complaining like an abandoned meaning, that this is what they’re most frustrated about during their day with their prosthesis is having to take their socket on and off, guests checking about sock ply, not feeling like they have too much not too little, and that their main frustration is revolving around this and I do have quite a few patients that this is the most frustrating part of their day with their prosthesis.
Eric Neufeld 13:01
Yes, and for prostatitis, we have a way of talking about that kind of frustration when we’re trying to make adjustments and reeducate patients and we talk about it in terms of chasing the volume like it’s constantly chasing this volume change and it can be frustrating for everybody, frankly. We have some lots of tricks in our in our bag but it can be a real challenge and people fluctuate quite a bit throughout the day.
Cosi Belloso 13:33
All right. Let’s see who we’ve got. OK, so Bonnie says so a bilateral AK can use one on each leg?
Eric Neufeld 13:42
Yes, absolutely. Yes, the positioning of the panels, of the dials, of the cabling, is all completely flexible and unique to each socket. They could– The dials can be put in certain places where they wouldn’t hit each other in a bilateral situation. That would be– Your prosthestist would be able to easily design that to make that profile work for you.
Cosi Belloso 14:07
OK, and Debbie– Actually this would be a great question for Jamie and Jen to answer as well as she was in a trauma accident unfortunately other issues so leg– My leg so I can’t work. Will Medicaid pay for something like this and it would help me so much. I’m going to–
Eric Neufeld 14:27
Well, I could address that honestly because I– We get this is covered in Colorado at least by Medicaid.
Cosi Belloso 14:35
Very good and let’s see Denise says, I’m taking my socket off and on all day with sock management where 18 [Inaudible 00:14:43]– Holy smokes Denise 18 ply, they bunch up very frustrating going to talk to process about this. Yes, definitely.
Eric Neufeld 14:50
I mean, that’s like the exact– That this can solve and I would say for anybody on who’s– I’m very happy to discuss with any prosthetist the billing side of it if it’s about coverage and someone’s telling you it’s not covered. That’s something that I’ve worked with Click on over the years and found ways to make it happen. Not every payer, not every cover, not every insurance company, but more and more over the years have covered it and I’d love to share that with you.
Cosi Belloso 15:19
There you go. You just made Debbie a very happy woman right there. Hey, Brett, late to the party. That’s All right, we’re getting to the good stuff now, too.
All right, guys. I’m going to stop for a moment and I’m going to post my handle on Instagram and the Click Medical handle on Instagram. If you guys still get the chance, right, y’all can still go to your Instagram accounts, follow Click Medical, follow Cosi Talks, and three winners—Not just one. Three people are going to receive the Yeti coffee mug. Really nice.
All right, Eric. Tell us a little bit about you. Who are you?
Eric Neufeld 15:51
Well, hi. Thanks for having me on. This is super fun.
Cosi Belloso 15:56
I’m just bringing you to the walls tonight.
Eric Neufeld 16:00
No, it’s great. I mean, I love what I do and Click has made it even better. I’m really happy to be here, really happy to talk about it. Happy to hang out with you and Cam. I’ve been prosthetist for about 20 years now and I’ve worked in a variety of settings. About six years ago, I went on my own and I created Agile Orthopedics and what we do is a little bit different than most practices, we’re an exclusively mobile practice.
We have these intentionally designed vehicles, they’re like Sprinter vans that have been modified with equipment and supplies and everything you really need to take care of somebody in place, whether that’s at their home or even a nursing home hospital or physical/ therapy office, wherever they are, it’s kind of we are so the idea is providing care on the terms of the patient, not our terms but whatever’s kind of the best for them.
For a variety of reasons, sometimes it’s out of need physical limitations. Truly, like very difficult physically to get to an appointment, financial constraints. Someone has to take a day off and bring you to an appointment, that sort of thing but also people who just find it convenient, you know, lots and lots of things to deal with all day. This is one thing you don’t– We come to you and it’s just more of a philosophy.
Being agile, being able to move and see where you are but also hoping that it creates agility within the patient’s themselves and honestly, that’s where Click comes in to like that has made the systems we design and develop even more agile, so they’re flexible, and we can be very creative and truly customize the experience and the socket for each person.
I mean, I love it. It doesn’t get old and you know that first day someone walking, and I mean, I vividly remember Cameron’s first day walking, it never gets old. It is so fun. It’s so exciting. A lot of work goes into it to that point for the person whose on that trajectory in that recovery part of things. It’s nice to be involved in that phase of someone’s life. Like kind of the upward phase, the reinvention phase,
Cosi Belloso 18:22
It’s nice to see another fellow clinician who’s just as passionate about their work.
Eric Neufeld 18:27
Cosi Belloso 18:28
How did you become a pro– This is the part I always like to find out is how did you become a prosthetist? What was the– ?
Eric Neufeld 18:33
Yes, I was introduced to it in more of the like people who are technical practitioners so the technical side building, fabricating and making the devices, I was very drawn to that I love making stuff and building things and at the time, I was doing kitchens and bathrooms like home renovations. That was the path I was headed down but I was exposed to this and it was like the first second I saw the lab and making these devices. I fell in love with it but then then really the transition into patient care, the clinical side was– Really spoke to me and still does, like having purpose, I guess would be the best way to summarize it.
This for me, is very fulfilling, having purpose and like truly connecting with people in this very intimate, meaningful way. I just love it. That’s kind of the high, broad strokes of how I found myself here.
Cosi Belloso 19:35
And guys, I’ll tell you, what a lot of clinicians by the time they reach that 19, 20 year mark, a lot of clinicians are kind of winding down and Eric does not sound like he’s slowing down anytime soon.
Eric Neufeld 19:48
No, I mean, it’s– Yes, I feel like in many ways, we’re just getting started. I think that the in-place care is a really important move in within healthcare overall in our country and I feel like I’m just starting to understand the real value there and other ways even to add value being kind of addressing the condition of amputation, not like somebody’s residual limb alone, but people do have certain needs and areas where we can really have some influence and have purpose.
Cosi Belloso 20:23
Sounds good. Amy has a great question. She says, I’m in a hybrid system, pin lock and suction. Would that work with the RevoFit?
Eric Neufeld 20:31
Yes, that’s not an issue because the RevoFit goes on the outside socket. The suction is created with the inner liner so that inner liner has to be solid. The style I showed you before with that big split, that would not work in that case but there’s– That’s straightforward to do suction–
Cosi Belloso 20:52
Eric Neufeld 20:55
Incorporating the system. No problem.
Cosi Belloso 20:56
All right. Guys, we’re headed for our next giveaway and this one is for you guys. Who are my quick dram garage. All right, ready?
You’re going to hear a furious [Inaudibe 00:21:06]. All right, I just posted a link there guys to the Click Medical website, specifically their provider directory. They have a very handy dandy directory by state of all the prosthetists who make and use RevoFit in their practices. I know I have looked this thing up many times myself. I want you to go find a provider in your state and put it into the comment section.
All right, and we’re going to pick a winner and that winner is going to get a Cosi Talks, Strong Body Book, and I’m bringing it up here. All right, guys. This is the Strong Body Book. It’s got exercises for above the knee and below the knee for beginner, intermediate and advanced. Head to prosthetic toe fitness. It’s all there and one lucky winner is going to get it so guys go ahead and start putting in who is a provider in your state and we’re going to pick a winner shortly.
In the meantime, Cameron has been waiting so patiently. Eric, you and I are going to shush and it’s his turn to get going.
Cameron, like this is two first here on the show. You’re the first one to bring your own leg cam which is just so cool and you’re also the first one to come prepared with like a PowerPoint presentation. Like y’all, we were doing the pre interview and I’m sitting here furiously taking notes of everything Cameron is telling me. He’s like, it’s all here. It’s beautiful. We’re going to go ahead and share the screen. Cameron, let you introduce yourself first, though, before I take you off the screen with your PowerPoint presentation.
Cameron Kennedy 22:41
Yes, for sure. Hello, everyone, Cameron Kennedy here. I have been an amputee for a little over a year. Still pretty new in this journey and was fortunate enough to get recommended from two completely different sources to Eric and Agile Orthopedics and, yes, he’s just done a great job in terms of getting me back up on my feet and walking and I’m still obviously as new as I am, very much learning things and figuring out how to just live life but yes– But sorry, there was a beeping over there– But yes, very quickly. That’s who I am.
Oh, professionally. I’m a data scientist. I work for a company called Shelf Engine based out of Seattle. We reduce food waste in the grocery industry. It’s pretty cool.
Cosi Belloso 23:34
Yes, sounds good.
Cameron Kennedy 22:35
Very little about me and then I’ll tell you a lot more when we get to the presentation.
Cosi Belloso 23:39
All right, we’re ready.
Cameron Kennedy 23:40
Yes, I’ve got a beeping over here.
Cosi Belloso 23:43
It’s not– As long as it’s not a self-destruct or an ejection button.
Cameron Kennedy 23:48
Yes, it’s going to blow up hopefully. Let me know if that’s too distracting in the background and I can go.
Cosi Belloso 23:53
We’re good. All right. Let’s see if I can share the screen. All right. The journey begins.
Cameron Kennedy 24:03
All right. Yes. I was– I actually built this PowerPoint in the hospital somewhat because I just wanted to chronicle what happened and how I decided to sign up for life as an amputee and also because we’re in here in the hospital, it’s really boring, as many of you know, and I just didn’t have anything else to do. Yes, this is this is my story.
I’ve been skiing for 40 years and one of the ways you know you’re like a diehard skier is when you get your family into it. I have a wife and two kids this picture– These pictures. The two on the left are of my oldest daughter, Alex, when I think she was skiing her first double black and one of them and another word she’s getting another double black and so it’s just great memories from my life and picture on the right with the cable car there is where I learned to ski in Austria. I was fortunate enough to have a father who was a ski tour guide and took tours over there. Yes, I’ve been skiing for a long time which is how my accident happened.
Yes, about a year ago, a little over a year ago. I was taking Alex down to ski school and this picture was not obviously of me on the day but I was coincidentally wearing the yellow jacket and it was this perfectly groomed run. Even if you don’t know anything about skiing, like groomed runs are like they’re just– They’re really easy to ski. It’s kind of like walking down a sidewalk. It’s not like, l was jumping off a cliff or anything that you would expect like to have an accident like this. Blue, groomed run, and all of a sudden, I hit a limb and I don’t really know what happened.
I’ll say I blacked out but I didn’t lose consciousness. No overall, but I think anytime you go through a traumatic accident like this or a car accident, I think it’s sounds like it’s pretty common to not have a really great memory of the exact incident itself.
Those few seconds, I just have really loose memories of like suddenly tumbling and then crashing into trees and kind of coming to and looking up and thinking oh, wow, this was a big hit, what can I do?
I tried to– I was not skiing in the trees but I fell and I kind of slipped off the run into the trees and I thought, OK, I just need to get myself back on the run and I had that horrible moment where you start to kind of try to get up and your legs don’t really go in there kind of jelly like you pull them over and they just were not– Things were not attached down there and that picture is– Down below is kind of where I hit the tree hit in a pretty much in the same spot on both legs.
I just– I screamed for help as loud as I could. Thankfully, somebody heard me came by I think it was a ski instructor and he said, Hey, dude, you want– Do you want to help get back up on the run? And I’m like, No, I need you to call ski patrol right now. Shortly thereafter, ski patrol arrived and they gave me this drug that I’d never heard of. It’s called ketamine. Learned later that it’s horse tranquilizer.
That’s where my memories completely end and then I have like just a couple of—Very– Like maybe one memory every 30 minutes of I looked up. I remember smelling snowmobiles my exhaust and then I looked up again and I remember being in the ambulance and then I looked up again and I remember being in the ER. They took me to the local hospital, Aspen Valley Hospital, I was skiing at Snowmass and again, that’s a mountain that I’ve skied and know super well as skied it since I was 4 years old.
Yes, injuries to my right leg just completely destroyed it and the big news there was that I hit the tib fib so hard that it slammed those back into the main artery and the vein that supply blood to and from the lower extremity and then on the left leg, this is the quote the good leg, hit it and broke my tib fib, fractured it had a volley of holes into my ACL and MCL and as well as an injury to my meniscus.
Like I said, it’s kind of in and out of consciousness. I remember at one point, they said, OK, this is all we can do for you here, you’re going to have to be airlifted to Denver and because they didn’t have the vascular repair surgeons there in Aspen so they brought me on a helicopter over to Denver and if not this exact helicopter in this picture, one that looks identical to it and they flew me to St. Anthony Hospital, which is a very reputable Hospital in Colorado and they actually restored blood supply to my lower leg about six hours after the incident but that turned out to be just a little too long and I didn’t know this at the time and no one really knew it at the time but honestly, the story on day one here was am I going to live now? Lucky me. I didn’t know any of this. I was totally unconscious but my wife who found out soon after my accident, she didn’t know if I was going to make it that night. It was a really scary time for a lot of my family.
All right, over the next several days, I had several surgeries. I mean, you can imagine I was on all sorts of heavy narcotics but after the fifth surgery, they said I’m sorry. There’s just no way you’re going to be able to keep your leg and fortunate is not quite the right word, but at least it was a black and white case. It wasn’t a case like maybe some of you had to deal with where it’s like well, maybe we could try to save it and then you live with it for years and eventually you decide to amputate the doctors were all like yes, this is– You just got to amputate. That’s it.
March 1st, a year ago, we amputated and then that was surgery number 6 or number 7 was onto my good leg, which was still pretty beat up and so they did the repairs there and put me in this brace and it was really restricted in its range but at least I was alive at that point.
Yes, that was that. Then did several days in the hospital recovering including a number of days at their in-house rehab unit and so 3 hours of OT and PT and just learned how to kind of take care of myself and get around in a wheelchair because with that left leg still broken, I couldn’t put any weight on it either and it was good.
I could feel myself becoming stronger and more alert and aware and really, the only big barrier at this point was just still had a lot of pain in my amputated leg.
Yes, all told. 7 surgeries, ended up needing 16 units of blood. That was mostly on the first day. I spent 25 days in the hospital ended up losing my right leg and left there with a completely broken left leg that I couldn’t do anything with but that was a view from my hospital window.
Yes, came home on St. Patty’s Day and then it was like, wow, this is when the journey really begins and so it was great to be back home with my family, but just yet, being able to know we have a house with stairs, trying to go up and down the stairs scooting one step at a time. That was challenging pain management. Still really hard and just, how do I how do I live life? And so those initial days were hard, let alone thinking about like, how do I get a prosthesis? And what’s the prosthesis? And how does this work? All that.
It was just yes, a lot of challenges in a lot of trauma, as I imagine a lot of you have been through as well.
Well, at the hospital, I had this though because it was in the middle of heavy COVID times and I liken it to be like having a cat stuck in a tree shortly after 911 and one of the firefighters who saved people from the World Trade Center comes and gets your cat out of the tree. That’s how I viewed these people that the doctors and nurses that were all caring for me. It was a really, it was incredible. I mean, they were just the heroes of the world that I felt and still they feel really grateful for all of them to be able to, to to care for me and so I have this probably what will be a lifelong thought about like, while so many people care for me, how can I give it back?
And this was definitely a– Like I said in COVID times but it certainly dates this presentation but I think it’s still good to remember because at the time we were thinking, OK, this COVID thing, it’s kind of one and done. We’re– We started to see a drop in COVID rates but I was definitely still very much of the mindset of like, no, please, folks don’t go back out into public. Just hang on another month or 2 and little do now. It’d be at least another year but there’s this sign as you descend from the mountains down into Denver that says truckers you’re not down yet because it’s kind of an optical illusion that you think you are but you’re actually not so I was– This was my plea to people to just hang on a little bit more.
And this is my family and this was while I was still in the hospital, it was the first time because they– My wife was able to come in to the hospital room but they only allowed one visitor and I actually hadn’t been able to see my kids for a while and they were 11 and 9 in this picture and I asked them I said, Well, what do you think about my, my amputation? Because this is you know what? They’re a little weirded out by this and so my oldest daughter Alex says, oh, yes, it’s about potluck what I thought and then my youngest daughter, she’s just great. She says it makes my butt cheeks clenched, which was an absolutely hysterical moment. It really brought a lot of levity to the situation and then as I reflected on it more, I thought this is actually– Although no one else is probably going to say those exact words as an amputee. That’s sometimes what people think and that’s kind of how they react, right?
It’s like, oh my gosh, like how does you know. You see people who kind of– Y’all who have amputations you know there’s– They look at you a little different and some are– Some want to ask and some don’t and then recognizing as an amputee, I’m obviously very happy to tell my story but other amputees they don’t want to write makes them have to relive the trauma or everybody’s different in that way.
I was really happy that that little funny nugget of wisdom came to me and gave me a little bit of empathy and empathy for others.
And then challenge aspect. This is the- One of the most ironic parts about my journey is that I’ve been involved with challenge Aspen’s since the winter of 2001 and 2002. I started–There as an adaptive assistance and Challenge Aspen is an organization that it brings possibilities to people with disabilities and a lot of what we do is we get people back up on the ski slope for the first time.
I think a lot of amputees have an experience where it’s a real wake up call. It’s like, well, I’m not going to let life pass me by anymore and that makes them want to go do more things like this and so I started with them, like I said, about 20 years ago, and I’ve been on their board since 2015 and now I’m a participant, which is a just a very, like I said, ironic twist of fate but one of the great things was even when I was in the hospital, I would have some of the staff say, don’t worry, you’re going to be able to walk again and you could do athletics again and there are these organizations that do this and I’m like, Yes, but it was great because it kept me from having a lot of those uncertain feelings about like, oh, my gosh, my life is over, what am I going to do? And just knowing that there were organizations like this out there and Challenge Aspen is absolutely one of the best in terms of being able to just get people to push their boundaries and define the limits.
It’s a really powerful organization, not just for the athletic aspect of it but probably even more so for the mental aspect and being able to help people realize, Oh, yes, I can do these things.
And this was my wall on in the hospital. Before I went into my amputation surgery, I– This wall was totally blank and when I came back, my wife had posted all these pictures from friends and family just wishing me well and so this was just a thank you to them because first and foremost, my wife, she was amazing. Gina was just incredible in this whole journey and so many other people along the way that helped.
Yes, that’s my story. Happy to talk about. What questions can I ask?
Cosi Belloso 37:42
What questions? We’re going to get to that in just a minute because I’ve got questions for you.
Cameron Kennedy 37:46
Yes, for sure.
Cosi Belloso 37:47
There we go. OK, I’m back. All right. I did it without kicking us off. I am so proud of myself for that one. I’ve got to just comment. First of all, I was reading a little bit more in part of that PowerPoint and you didn’t get a chance to say it, that’s my fault. How in your recovery process, your mindset was not I have to learn how to walk, I have to learn how to drive. It was I get to learn how to walk that that right there. I was just like, Oh, I love that. I love that.
Cameron Kennedy 38:16
Yes, it’s very much– It’s like, Nope. It’s an opportunity because when you go through something where you’re this close to having to losing your life, it’s a privilege to be able to walk. Every day is a bonus, every day with family or getting to go to work or whatever it is, and getting to do all these things. It’s like, Oh, I get to do these things.
Cosi Belloso 38:38
Now, tell us a little bit about how you met Eric. Yes, you find this amazing prosthetist here. Right?
Cameron Kennedy 38:45
I’m sitting in the hospital and the hospital had folks that came to bedside and said, hey, you’re– We’re going to hook you up and this is the clinic you’re going to go to and this is the– And they came by and they say, OK, this is the leg you’re going to have and I looked at this thing, and I was like, I was like, this leg. It’s like the price of a car and who goes to one car dealership and only looks at one model and doesn’t think about any other cars and so I just started asking questions like, well, that’s interesting. Could you give me some others and what other options are out there?
And the guy who was really nice and was very open to my questions and he wrote down how there’s like a little hospital, like a notepad at the side of your bed. He writes down a couple of chicken scratch. I’m like, no, I like– Actually want to let know what my options are and so I became like not enamored with this whole process and I was like, No, I want the choice. I got to be able to like, because I’m pretty sure my prosthetist is going to be really important person in my life, which he is, and I want to know what’s out there.
I started just asking around and a good friend of mine who had been skiing with for years, said, Hey, I’ve got this neighbor. His name’s Eric, you should go talk to him and then another person said, You should go, there’s a guy down in Colorado Springs, you should talk with him and so Colorado Springs like a couple hours away from my house and I thought I don’t necessarily want to drive to that far to see my prosthetist and it’s but I call them anyway just to say like, what, how does this like amputee thing work? And what am I going to do and so he recommended me to Eric as well. I said, OK, I got to meet Eric. I called him and he came over to the house and it was just great and I was like, wow. This is an awesome business model because for me, as an amputee, I mean, I’m lucky in the fact that I’m not more disabled than I am. I can be up I can walk, I can go to the airport and fly places and I feel grateful to be able to do those things.
Yet, as many of you know, so much of life is so much slower. That time that Eric provides me by coming to my house, instead of me having to get my car and go somewhere. It’s huge, because there’s so much other time in my life that has been taken away. I– Yes, I love the business model. I loved his story that you all just heard and yes, it’s been great since day one.
Cosi Belloso 41:11
From the nuts and bolts perspective, Eric, what made you decide with Cameron to try straight to the RevoFit versus trying a traditional socket in the beginning?
Eric Neulans 41:23
Well, actually, I’d like to just back up for a minute. I mean, Cameron brings up this very interesting concept that maybe some folks have experienced with that, or that are here with us, but it’s about choice. A lot of people don’t know there’s– You have choices, you have choices of provider, you have choice of components, you have a choice of any of these things and I connected with Cameron on that because that that’s the drum that we beat all the time. Maybe our business model or something is not for everybody but at least like there should be a choice. You could– Should interview a couple of people. I’d really recommend that folks do that and find alignment with the person you’re going to work with and like Cameron said, it is a very important relationship that lasts the rest of your life. It shouldn’t just be just sort of accept whoever the first is, and maybe it ends up being the first person to meet you but maybe it’s not.
I just– I love that you make that point and I think it is important in terms of like the nuts and bolts. Again, our– My inclination is that it’s very predictable that in the first 3 months, 6– 3 to 6 months, there is going to be a measurable and significant amount of atrophy and reduction of initial swelling after surgery. We know it’s going to shrink and so that’s why I really, almost 100% go with the adjustable system because it’s so predictable. It can prolong that initial socket and you can prepare, while that continues to shrink lower and lower.
Instead of waiting until it just doesn’t fit at all, we could prepare for the next socket replacement after 6 months or 9 months or whatever. That’s why– It’s because we know exactly from all of the experience in the 1000s of amputees we’ve treated or 10s of 1000s.
Cosi probably, it’s like we know what’s going to happen right after surgery. Hopefully, that’s a good answer or clear answer.
Cosi Belloso 43:33
No, well done and the reason I’m smiling this big is because do you know how many times on this show I talk about having a choice and interviewing your clinician? Trial testing, the same way you take a car for a test drive before you buy it.
Eric Neulans 43:49
I’m just– Yes, it’s not exclusive to rehab or prosthetics. I mean, it’s healthcare in general. I’m not sure people realize that that we have you have options. We’re fortunate to live in this country where there’s this robust system that provides us options, takes a little bit of work and a little initiative certainly but I believe in it again, sounds like you do too.
Cosi Belloso 44:13
Now Cameron and you mentioned something about how life isn’t a PT means that things can sometimes take a little bit more time. How– Now that you’re back up on your feet, which by the way, guys, I got to just say something here as from a physical therapy standpoint, just the injuries he sustained in the left leg alone is enough to put anybody out of commission. Just– Your physical therapist must have their tongue hanging out with all the work that you did with them.
Eric Neufeld 44:41
Yes, this is a hard working motivated person. I mean, could teach the class.
Cosi Belloso 44:48
Yes. A little bit– A little over a year. Have you met the first year?
Eric Neufeld 44:53
Yes. March 1 was the amputation. So a year and a month.
Cosi Belloso 45:00
Holy smokes. How– With your life as a father, how do you feel? How have things changed?
Cameron Kennedy 45:10
I mean, it’s definitely hard because I can’t just like, oh, let’s just go for a hike or let’s go skiing. As much as I’m working very hard to get back into skiing. I’ve been out a few times but it’s hard not to be able to do things with your family and it’s also– Another really big, it’s a tension in my life, it’s a good tension, it’s a healthy tension but it is definitely a tension is one of my big biggest motivations, in addition to just getting back into doing anything physically, again, was– What was really the mental aspect and the kind of the fulfillment that I get from going back to work and I’m fortunate in that I can do my job remotely and had been doing it remotely since the beginning of COVID but coming out of the hospital and making sure that I got off narcotics because employers don’t like it when their employees are on narcotics.
Yes, that was a huge part of my recovery and just determined to get back to work as quickly as I could which I did and– But wanting to do that whilst also still being in a fair amount of pain and then Cosi back to your question around the family, it’s like, Oh, I really want to work because that was, like I said, a big part of my mental healing and knowing that I was going to be able to work and provide value and get satisfaction that I get from that, whilst also wanting to spend time with a family.
I mean, let’s just pretend if you slept, if you normally sleep, like 8 hours a day and you work, most of the rest of that time and you’ve got time for family, but then just stuff you got to do meals and laundry and everything else, there’s not much time left in the day and as an amputee that completely got sucked up with having to just deal with pain and having to sleep more and having to do physical therapy and having to go to doctors, follow up appointments and all that.
It was– That was and probably still is a tension but I’m really happy to just, you know, be out there and you know, still play games with family, we went out in the backyard, and I figured out how to kick a soccer ball with my prosthetic leg is not very good but I can kind of kick it. It was good, I can get some good distance on it. Yes, just putting yourself out there and keep going.
Cosi Belloso 47:30
And I think that’s one thing I know I hear from my patients is under estimating just how long this recovery process can be and just seeing that the progress maybe not as fast as you would like for it to see but it will continue to come and Lord knows you’re the poster child for not giving up and keep going.
Thank you for that. You’re making a physical therapist look good.
Cameron Kennedy 47:52
Yes, they were great.
Cosi Belloso 47:52
Teresa has a good question. She says, is the material carbon fiber or hard plastic? Also, after adjusting it to fit snug will it stay on well, when you stand up from sitting? My carbon fiber socket seems to lose a bit of suction when I stand from sitting or rowing on my rower.
Eric Neufeld 48:10
I could answer that. The materials neither carbon fiber or plastic, it’s a system that integrates with whatever material the socket itself is made of. Hopefully that answers that and kind of the bigger question is, yes, it holds its tension as you sit, stand, move around, and then you can continue to adjust the tension based on your activity.
Even someone who I met with this morning said, when he gets in a car for a decent amount of time, he’s able just to unlock kind of unclick it and release the tension and kind of let things just chill out for a little while. He’s ready to get out of the car, walk into wherever he’s going, and you just reach down and tighten it.
Truly adjustable, infinitely adjustable, really and integrated into whatever material the sockets made out of. Typically, that would be into carbon fiber or like a composite constructed prosthesis, which is your standard materials that sockets are made out of.
Cosi Belloso 49:14
I just kind of want to demonstrate for Teresa, because I know sometimes folks are just like, well, what exactly is the reverse? It’s a kit, right? So your prosthetist will make the socket out of the materials that he or she would normally be using and then the parts of the RevoFit kit are used.
For example, I don’t know if you can see this, the cabling here for example, the BOA dial, these are the pieces that get put into the socket to make it adjustable. I hope that clarifies that just a little bit more and I’ll be honest, I think that’s one of the favorite features that my patients say especially for my above the knee folks that when they sit down, they can loosen it up just a little bit so it’s not digging into the back of their leg and then when they stand back up again, it’s just a couple of clicks. Cameron, but I’d rather hear from you.
Cameron Kennedy 49:58
Yes, so all– All even alternatively, the live demo here. So we’ll see how it goes when I stand up. I don’t tighten it before I stand. I first stand and then it’s pretty loose now. Yes. I’ll put the weight on the leg to really get the distal end of my leg like way down here into the, as far down as I can get it and then at that point, then I can see it here.
Yes, I push this in and then that allows it. I’m going to demonstrate this is more than it would ever come out but you can see these things companies panels, they come away way out, they would never normally come that out but you can see as I, as I tighten it down here, they squeeze in on the leg.
Yes, first put the leg in first and then stand and tighten it down as what just to kind of whatever feels comfortable and based on whatever I’m doing. If I’m just walking into the other room, I probably wouldn’t tighten it that hard. If I’m going for a walk outside, I’ll give it a couple extra cranks and off we go.
Cosi Belloso 51:01
Make it snug. I do want to announce the winner of our second giveaway. Rhonda Jones, congratulations, you’ll be receiving a talk Strong Body Book and for my first winner, also Diana Baker, y’all make sure to send us your addresses so that we can send you your prices. OK, you can find us pretty much everywhere on social media, either Click Medical or Cosi Talks.
All right guys, I want to get a couple of these questions in. Lisa comments, good for you for recognizing right away. We were overwhelmed and went with the one the prosthetist that they sent at the hospital.
I know that this is a very common thing I hear from all my patients and it’s like you said, sometimes that first meeting with that first person who visits you in the hospital, it’s the perfect match right there but more often than not a lot of my patients say you ended up kind of looking around a little bit to find just that right fit.
Eric Neufeld 51:52
But you can’t blame anybody for—There’s so much going on in that phase of recovery and there’s so much to think about as you prepare to leave and go home and modify the– There’s a lot to think about. I get it. It’s so clear why that happens.
Generally, it’s just so much to figure out and it’s no mystery. It’s overwhelming. I mean that’s very reasonable.
Cosi Belloso 52:19
Yes and Johnny says, I remember getting off narcotics to put my head back on my shoulders and Johnny, I need to introduce you to Cameron.
Cameron, he just started learning how to ski. After. He’s awesome. You and Greg Menino and Johnny, y’all need to like meet each other, to Colorado to go skiing all the time. So we need to do that. Sorry, off topic.
Cameron Kennedy 53:45
No, not off topic at all. That’s all about.
Cosi Belloso 52:48
Let’s see. Chuck asks, can you use a fine metal cable instead of the rope?
Eric Neufeld 52:54
Yes, there’s a version of it with a metal cable. Like a version of the BOA system. I think they use on other products but that– And I’ve seen that used but the metal cable, it fatigues very quickly in fractures because you are moving it everyday, all day.
You know how metal like a paper clip if you do it over and over again, it just breaks. That’s what happens with metal cable so these aren’t like cotton strings or like this is fiberglass, fiber– I mean, the folks from click could– I don’t know what they’re made out of but this is a incredibly strong material. It does occasionally need to be replaced but it’s not a biggie– Not a big deal to replace it.
Truly, I mean, they always– They have little repair kits and replacement kits but the metal cables do not work well at all. They break way faster.
Cosi Belloso 53:47
OK and actually, Eric, if you don’t mind showing the one of the check socket that you have. I do like to point out because a lot of folks are just like, Well, how am I going to know if it’s the right thing for me and making a new socket.
Click Medical has a diagnostics kit that your prosthetist can use to build it into your check socket to basically play around with it and see if it’s going to work or not.
Eric Neufeld 54:08
Yes, so this is– I mean, I’m sure most of you familiar with this kind of check socket phase where it’s clear. This one we have a little like kind of flexible inner liner but it’s that clear plastic you can see my hand through that we use for the check sockets are I kind of– I call them prototypes and think of them as prototypes.
It’s super easy to diagnostically put the click system on it and it just takes honestly for the prothetists and the technical practitioners you do it a couple of times and it’s like it’s no big deal and then you just fiberglass over it and it kind of simulates what the final socket would feel like, look like you can operate it kind of clicking it in tightening it that kind of thing and you could see kind of what we’re calling the rope. I don’t remember what click calls it like the filament but it’s not it’s not like string, it’s like a very special strong material.
Cosi Belloso 55:02
It’s very strong. I’m plugging away at it here and I’m like, this thing isn’t going anywhere.
Eric Neufeld 55:07
Yes, and it kind of frays before it breaks. You do have a little bit of– And we educate to like kind of keep an eye on it and look at it periodically and you could get a little advanced warning before it may start to go but it lasts quite a while. I mean, Cam I know we’ve replaced it once or twice but I mean, this is a super heavy duty user and it’s it holds up.
Cameron Kennedy 55:34
Yes, it’s good. Yes, for those who can’t read the comments Jamie click is saying that it’s called lace? Is there—
Eric Neufeld 52:19
Cameron Kennedy 55:44
We’ll just say it’s fishing line but special fishing line because she said with 500 pounds fishing line that they used to catch alligators.
Cosi Belloso 55:51
Fishing line for a great white shark.
Cameron Kennedy 55:57
Looks like thick dental floss but I promise it’s string stuff.
Cosi Belloso 56:03
Strong stuff carrying–
Eric Neufeld 56:01
I wouldn’t– Sorry to cut you off Cosi but this is an area almost like this discussion about patient choice. There’s some empowerment to like if folks are interested in learning how to replace it themselves. I think that’s really great and very doable. For anybody who wants to and has some technical know how but it doesn’t require like fancy special tooling or anything like that. It’s a pretty straightforward kind of thing to do. Many patients replace it themselves and we always give them replacement kits to keep around. It’s manageable certainly.
Cosi Belloso 56:39
I think the elegance is the simplicity of the design, which I love. Carrie says thanks for sharing your story, Cameron, I’m cheering you on. I’ve been an amputee for 43 years and applaud your one legged journey so far.
Cameron Kennedy 56:51
Cosi Belloso 56:51
Here’s a question I always like to pose to my special guest, Cam. What advice would you give a new amputee?
Cameron Kennedy 56:58
Oh, well, we’ve talked about it so much but choice that is definitely like, like an advocate for yourself. Right? It does take a little bit of fortitude, right? The system’s not going to come to you to do it but just recognize that there are options out there and go find them. That’s– Yes, but that’s by far my biggest piece of advice.
Cosi Belloso 57:20
Very good and Ryan says kind of piggybacking on that one. If you went with the first socket and you’re not happy how long before insurance companies consider allowing for replacements? That’s a good question.
Eric Neufeld 57:35
Yes, that’ a really important question. The way that insurance companies evaluate or approve any kind of new device is based on need and not really a length of time and that need is generally a change in your presentation or like an anatomical change. This idea of shrinking, changing volume, losing weight, those would be like the most common, gaining weight would be another kind of common scenario.
If you lose the fit of the prosthesis, there’s a reason for that and once that’s documented and if it’s significant enough, it doesn’t really– It’s not really that hard to get approved, if there’s a reason for it. I think if there’s no changes, I believe after five years, Medicare will allow a new one and most insurance companies follow Medicare guidelines.
Cosi Belloso 58:34
OK, there you go.
Eric Neufeld 58:35
But you got to– You have to think about it in terms of like the reason not the time.
Cosi Belloso 58:39
Eric Neufeld 58:39
That’s the word. Those are the words I was looking for.
Cameron Kennedy 58:42
Yes, I wanted to respond to a question in the chat from Tammy who asked, socks aren’t needed? Yes and that was one that I wanted to talk about anyway because I have heard from Eric and just following other amputee, Jetson websites and whatnot about everybody and all their socks in this pie and that sock, and honestly, I don’t know what you’re talking about and I think that’s because of the system, right? It’s like having an adjustable number of socks on at any time at the twist of a knob.
It’s– Yes, I know the answer to your question is no socks are not needed. At least not for me anyway.
Cosi Belloso 59:21
Yes and they can accommodate up to 8 ply. The adjustability itself.
Eric Neufeld 59:28
The– What’s the adjustability equivalence? Yes, I think it’s actually more than that because like you could even see kind of on cameras. We’ve added padding to the panels. It’s even more like, I think it’s more than that, honestly but it’s– At least that I would say, yes.
Camerion Kennedy 59:49
It’s kind of hard to see but this this leg started out much thinner and then as my leg shrank over time, as opposed to and you think about this in terms of like the medical costs, like running out of control in the country instead of like making an entirely new socket that just a little bit thinner. All I did was add a few millimeters to this panel. Now it’s smaller and you’re– Yes, it’s smaller and therefore it can be tighter.
Cosi Belloso 1:00:13
Yes and so I just got the message. It’s up to 10 ply. Guys, for most folks, I know that the textbook will tell you that when you reach 15 ply, that’s the time to get a new socket. Right? But y’all have heard me say before on the show, it’s more about how it feels on you. A lot of my own patients when they reach that 8 ply, 10 ply mark, they’re feeling squidgy because they just can’t feel in the socket anymore and I do have some outliers that they get up to 15, 20 ply and they’re still walking fine. Don’t ask me how. If you think about it, this socket can accommodate up to a socket change if you think about it that way.
That’s pretty impressive and a lot of folks who use the RevoFit socket can forego, like him having to use socks completely which is kind of nice. I know you’re in Florida, not having to put on layers of hot sweaty socks would be a really great option.
Let’s see. Joe, I’d love to hear a little bit more about that. If you want to go ahead and send me a message just to see how we can help.
Debbie says, it takes me so much time just to put my socks on and not to mention if you have to take them off during the day or add more on.
Tammy says, yes, she goes from four to 14 ply in one day. Yes. Let’s see.
Sorry, guys. I’m trying to make sure– I get Kristen. Kristen says, Hello, Eric. Christian, Louisville. Hey, Kristen. She’s there.
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Eric Neufeld 1:02:53
Yes, thank you for having us.
Cameron Kennedy 1:02:55
Yes, thanks for letting me be involved. It’s been really nice.
Cosi Belloso 1:02:59
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